♡ 87 ( +1 | -1 ) attacking closed sicilianWhen I'm white I tend to play e4 most times and often get ...c5 in return. I immediately play 2.Nc3 because I don't want an open sic. whereI don't know very much at all. And also from a psychological point of view that 1...c5 players probably prefer open games.
The move order is probably a bit off, and alternatives like ...Nf6 and ...b5 frequently occur, but typically I end up getting in trouble because of my opened up king, and I just dont know what to ie what my plan should be.
Please could someone suggest a different line, or slightly different system that has more obvious middlegame plans?
I'm looking for something a little more aggressive for white.
2 games of the match are deeply analysed in Kasparov's "My Great Predecessors" Vol. 2 and also should be in some books on Spassky, thought I'm not shure.
Though, Geller played the 6. ... Nf6 variation, the ideas are practically the same. I like the plan with h3, g4 and f5 knight manouvre Nc3-e2-g3 and Queen manouvre Qe1-Qh4 with a strong attack on the dark squares. It takes time and white has to hold the queenside (not an easy task) with moves like a3, axb4, Rb1, b3 (or c4 if there is a possibility). Black's plan that stops these ideas (therefore I have the most troubles against it) -- early Rb8 with b6, Bb7 and f5! Haven't found anything against it, yet :(
Of course there are a lot of different ways to go for white. For example a plan with d4 move. A plan that delays f4 move and includes Be3, Qd2 and Bh6 (very popular today). Choose your own, analyse, practice and you will suceed. It's not the opening that decides the result of the game, but the skill of a player.
♡ 93 ( +1 | -1 ) I love it whensomeone offers a facile assessment of the psychology of chess players. In Beating the Anti-Sicilians, Joe Gallagher claims that Smith-Morra players "are creatures of habit and like to play their first ten or so moves before looking up." And now amleto tells us that Sicilian players "probably prefer open games."
I play the French, the Sicilian, the Spanish, the Russian, and the Franco-Benoni against 1.e4. Do I prefer open games?
I'll tell you. I prefer transpositions.
My favorite line: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4
Not because it is an open game, though it is, but because I play the French on move 1, the Franco-Benoni on move 2, and by move 4, we are in a mainline of the Sicilian!
As for the line you give, I think your black player is a bit too cooperative:
♡ 157 ( +1 | -1 ) Closed SicilianI wouldn't agree with wulebrgr that 4. ... Nf6 is better than 4. ... Nge7. IMO knight is not good on f6 it should go to c6 and the c6 knight should go to d4, thus the bishop on g7 is used with maximum effect. That's what Nimzowitsch tought. And Nimzo was a wise man :)
I agree that 8. ... Qb6 is not the best move. Though, a lot of club players tend to play that -- attacking a pawn, putting the Queen on one diognal with the king. Seems nice, gives tactical chances. But the move has strategic drawbacks -- it delays the queenside attack via b5, a5, b4 and it removes the Queen from the kingside. It is an important aspect, when I analysed the Spassky game and when I played a similar one here at GK, I understood that the combinational attack on the kingside is possible mainly because the queen has left the d8 or e7 squares.
baseline, yes, mine too :) I find it amusing that in there are two such similar games in one match:
and the next Spassky's white game -- the on I mentioned in my first post. It's nice how Kasparov in his analysis of both games, shows how Spassky avoided the mistakes he made in the first game, creating the masterpiece that is the second game :) One can learn a lot form such games.
♡ 40 ( +1 | -1 ) questionI have been playing the closed sicilian for a few years now. It is my favorite openings. I have learned a lot from the old great masters such as Spassky and smyslov. I would like to find a modern player who plays the closed sicilian. Does anybody know of someone who consistently relies on the closed sicilian to meet 1..c5? It seems all the great players of today prefer the open sicilian.
♡ 127 ( +1 | -1 ) jstackI'll have to check,when I'll get home. Short sometimes playes the closed sicilian, but you are right that none of the great ones plays it constantly. But why should you learn form the great ones? They are too strong to understand them.
I learned a lot from IM Ilmars Starostits games. He is from Latvie, so I have had a good chance to observe his games live. I saw how he crashed GM (then still IM) Kaido Kulaots in the Latvia vs. Estonia match on 100 boards in 2002. It was a really nice game:
Later me and a pal of mine (sicilietis) analysed the game and since then this plan (9. f5 pawn sacrifice followed by Qh5) used by Starostits (see also Spassky -- Hort, 1978, Starostits - Nataf, 2002) became my standart weapon against the 6. ... e5 line. I have had couple of nice victories with it.
The point is that you can learn a lot from "avarage" GM's and IM's who stick to the same opening repertuare as you. If you follow their development you can see, how the ideas of the opening develop.
♡ 39 ( +1 | -1 ) "My Great Predecessors" ?I own this book (vol 2, italian edition). soikins says that there is a Spasskj-Geller game with closed sicilian, but I can't find it! the only game I found (searching the game index at the end of the book) between them is a Geller-Spasskj, but it's a Spanish.. could someone please help me? thanks..
♡ 15 ( +1 | -1 ) javannadaSorry, a mistake on my part. It is of course Kasparov's "My great Predecessors" vol. III in which Spassky is discussed. Games Spassky - Geller are 369 and 370 (in the Russian edition).
♡ 49 ( +1 | -1 ) SoikinsThanks for your post. Of course I realize an IM game is just as useful as a GM game for a little class player like me. But the problem is when I do a search for e4c5 Nc3 I get too many games with too many different players. And how do I know which players are true closed sicilian players and who just play it from time to time. I am looking a true closed sicilain player. Starostits looks like a good player to start with. Thanks again.
If you use ChessBase, use opening report feature after, say moves like: 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 g6 5.d3 Bg7 6.f4 Nf6 if that gove out too many games (depending on database you have), add moves like: 7. Nf3 0-0 8.0-0 Rb8. Using the opening report feature in ChessBase you will see a list of players who regularly use this line. If you don't have ChessBase, then you have to spot some names that appear in game list quite often for yourself.
♡ 14 ( +1 | -1 ) Anybody else hate the french?Playing white against the french, I can never find a decent attacking plan, and half the time I end up defending my poxy d-pawn. :(
♡ 75 ( +1 | -1 ) soikins says: "Of course there are a lot of different ways to go for white. For example a plan with d4 move. A plan that delays f4 move and includes Be3, Qd2 and Bh6 (very popular today). Choose your own, analyse, practice and you will suceed. It's not the opening that decides the result of the game, but the skill of a player. "
i totally agree...i am playing closed sicilian and generally i wait for moving f4 ;in some matches i choose play Nge2 ,Be3 and d4 it depends to the opponents' sequence of moves..
i am also curious about Grand-prix attack : 1.e4 c5 2.Ac3 Ac6 3.f4 ,Bc4,Nf3,d3,0-0 this variation is interesting too...
and for french also there is an interesting variation with f4 move.. 1.e4 e6 2.f4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 than Na3,Nc2 trying to play d4 ...and if black moves d4 white plays Bd3 etc..you can look for this variation too.